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snickerdoodle1990 · 01/05/2025 21:40
Hi everyone,
I gave birth a few months ago and had some breastfeeding difficulties, so joined a local breastfeeding support group in my city. It’s basically a place to go for support with feeding, plus meet other mums/have a cuppa and biscuit etc. They also have a FB group. It’s become a nice, friendly place to go once every couple of weeks.
Recently, a trans-woman (male) has joined the group asking for support because their wife has not long had a baby and the trans-woman is wishing to breastfeed too, apparently through use of hormones and domperidone (?) to stimulate supply (I did not realise this was possible at all)
I really really object to this person being present in a group of women who are seeking breastfeeding support, trying to come together in their breastfeeding experience and also revealing themselves intimately
I told the group leader my concerns and she basically told me to shove it - said that the group is a safe space for everyone and they support all who wish to breastfeed and that I shouldn’t come back because I am a bigot
I am horrified as are the other women, where do we all stand and what would you do?
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LonginesPrime · 01/05/2025 23:25
ElleWoods15 · 01/05/2025 23:11
The person trying to breastfeed their child that OP objects to is properly referred to as she.
And yes, it has been shown that with the appropriate intervention trans women can lactate.
The mother you objecting to has every right to be their - unless the relevant service makes this a single sex space and feels it can evidence a proportionate reason for making it such.
OP please focus on your own child at this critical time and stop worrying about how other mothers parent theirs.
The group venue is properly referred to as “there”.
Unless you’re the breastfeeding man OP is talking about, how on earth can you possibly know what pronouns he prefers?
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Blueskies25 · 01/05/2025 23:25
snickerdoodle1990 · 01/05/2025 23:18
You lost me at the part where you referred to transwomen as mothers. And no, I don’t think we should all just pipe down and focus on ourselves because this is a society-wide issue. We’ve been piping down long enough, it’s time for that to change. Trans people are valid, this person in question - their experience is valid and real to them. But it does not make it right that a group of breastfeeding women feel uncomfortable at a breastfeeding support group because a male is there.
ElleWoods15 · 01/05/2025 23:11
The person trying to breastfeed their child that OP objects to is properly referred to as she.
And yes, it has been shown that with the appropriate intervention trans women can lactate.
The mother you objecting to has every right to be their - unless the relevant service makes this a single sex space and feels it can evidence a proportionate reason for making it such.
OP please focus on your own child at this critical time and stop worrying about how other mothers parent theirs.
I think trans women can actually be called mothers, strange I know, but the legal and social definition is below,
Social or legal definition:
- A mother can also be someone who raises, nurtures, or cares for a child, regardless of biological connection—such as adoptive mothers, stepmothers, foster mothers, or trans mothers.
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Nominative · 01/05/2025 23:26
KarCat · 01/05/2025 22:44
Good god please let there be an end to this madness!
”Give me wife a break from breastfeeding “
Read fulfill your insane wish to breastfeed a child when you were born, and are, a man.
Who the fuck are these women that allow this shit to happen?!?!
As another poster said, for gods sake look after your child!
To say nothing of the fact that a break from breastfeeding is the last thing the mother needs if she wants to keep her supply going.
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nocoolnamesleft · 01/05/2025 23:26
Blueskies25 · 01/05/2025 23:25
I think trans women can actually be called mothers, strange I know, but the legal and social definition is below,
Social or legal definition:
- A mother can also be someone who raises, nurtures, or cares for a child, regardless of biological connection—such as adoptive mothers, stepmothers, foster mothers, or trans mothers.
snickerdoodle1990 · 01/05/2025 23:18
You lost me at the part where you referred to transwomen as mothers. And no, I don’t think we should all just pipe down and focus on ourselves because this is a society-wide issue. We’ve been piping down long enough, it’s time for that to change. Trans people are valid, this person in question - their experience is valid and real to them. But it does not make it right that a group of breastfeeding women feel uncomfortable at a breastfeeding support group because a male is there.
ElleWoods15 · 01/05/2025 23:11
The person trying to breastfeed their child that OP objects to is properly referred to as she.
And yes, it has been shown that with the appropriate intervention trans women can lactate.
The mother you objecting to has every right to be their - unless the relevant service makes this a single sex space and feels it can evidence a proportionate reason for making it such.
OP please focus on your own child at this critical time and stop worrying about how other mothers parent theirs.
A mother is a woman. And we have recently had it confirmed that women are female.
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Velmy · 01/05/2025 23:27
JorgyPorgy · 01/05/2025 23:16
What happens if you keep turning up to the group . Is she going to physically remove you? You’ve every right to be there. Tell her she’s not welcome. Go along and let her make a scene. Get everyone’s contact details & start your own group.
Tell her she’s not welcome.
She is welcome though, the group has made that perfectly clear. It's OP who isn't welcome.
On what planet does turning up to a support group for anything with the sole purpose of trying to get someone to "cause a scene" (aka causing a scene yourself) help the people who are there for support?
There are better, more mature ways to fight your battles.
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DrPrunesqualer · 01/05/2025 23:27
ElleWoods15 · 01/05/2025 23:11
The person trying to breastfeed their child that OP objects to is properly referred to as she.
And yes, it has been shown that with the appropriate intervention trans women can lactate.
The mother you objecting to has every right to be their - unless the relevant service makes this a single sex space and feels it can evidence a proportionate reason for making it such.
OP please focus on your own child at this critical time and stop worrying about how other mothers parent theirs.
It’s difficult to focus on your own baby when there’s a storage man in the room staring at your boobs.
Transwomen are biological males and should not be in spaces if women are exposed. It’s a disgrace
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MarvellousMonsters · 01/05/2025 23:28
Kay2000 · 01/05/2025 23:21
The fact that you’re a breastfeeding counsellor means nothing as La Leche League shows. Do you think men who pretend to be women can and should be helped to breastfeed or not? If not, we’re on the same side. If you do, as you were…
MarvellousMonsters · 01/05/2025 23:04
Gosh @Kay2000 it’s almost like you didn’t actually read my post and just jumped to some conclusions. I’ve been a breastfeeding counsellor attached to a reputable support organisation for over 20 years. But thank you so much for enlightening me about supply and demand, nipple confusion, the way breastmilk changes etc. 
There has been analysis done on the secretions from male breast tissue. It’s not identical to actual breastmilk from a woman, (and I didn’t say it was) but it has similar composition.
As you were.
Kay2000 · 01/05/2025 22:46
It’s not similar to breast milk, which changes consistency between feeds to meet the needs of the baby. All men on hormones produce is some sort of milk like secretions. After the BBC tried to report men’s milk was as good as women’s, it was thoroughly debunked. Women produce milk in quantities men can’t. The male breast tissue is different to women’s too, not surprising since we were designed to feed babies, men are not. There also has been no research on the damage done to the baby, taking on who knows what drugs (whilst women are told not to even take paracetamol or eat soft cheese 🙄) , or the fact that anything else fed to the baby (bottle etc) risks disrupting the natural supply of the mum.
MarvellousMonsters · 01/05/2025 22:36
I’m not in any way recommending men should be inducing lactation, but, all men have residual breast tissue, (behind their nipples) that can secrete fluid in a condition known as galactorrhea. It’s difficult to find good info on this now as the internet is currently full of fetish based trans nonsense, but gynecomastia is a condition where men develop significant breast tissue, and when the secretions are analysed it is similar to female breastmilk. I’m not condoning the inclusion of a man into what should be a single sex space, but it’s important to be factual.
Waggytail · 01/05/2025 22:01
Nothing has stimulated 'a supply' for him. Men don't produce breastmilk. Even men with implants and artificial hormones. Whatever he's 'producing' (🤮) shouldn't go anywhere near a baby's mouth. I'd never go back to that group and I seriously could not have a lower opinion of anyone who condones a poor baby being encouraged to feed off a pair of man boobs.
Is it a council run group? Go above the group leader and point out the supreme Court ruling. Transwomen can be excluded from single sex settings for reasons of privacy and decency.
I’m not connected to LLL @Kay2000. I said at the outset that not only does this man not belong in a breastfeeding support group, but that men shouldn’t be inducing lactation to try to feed babies to fulfil their kinks and fetishes.
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Darkgreendarkbark · 01/05/2025 23:28
Blueskies25 · 01/05/2025 23:25
I think trans women can actually be called mothers, strange I know, but the legal and social definition is below,
Social or legal definition:
- A mother can also be someone who raises, nurtures, or cares for a child, regardless of biological connection—such as adoptive mothers, stepmothers, foster mothers, or trans mothers.
snickerdoodle1990 · 01/05/2025 23:18
You lost me at the part where you referred to transwomen as mothers. And no, I don’t think we should all just pipe down and focus on ourselves because this is a society-wide issue. We’ve been piping down long enough, it’s time for that to change. Trans people are valid, this person in question - their experience is valid and real to them. But it does not make it right that a group of breastfeeding women feel uncomfortable at a breastfeeding support group because a male is there.
ElleWoods15 · 01/05/2025 23:11
The person trying to breastfeed their child that OP objects to is properly referred to as she.
And yes, it has been shown that with the appropriate intervention trans women can lactate.
The mother you objecting to has every right to be their - unless the relevant service makes this a single sex space and feels it can evidence a proportionate reason for making it such.
OP please focus on your own child at this critical time and stop worrying about how other mothers parent theirs.
Oh right! We all stand corrected, now that someone has posted that definition online. Can't argue with facts!
What is a "trans mother"... Is it someone who has transitioned from father to mother?
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MidnightScroller · 01/05/2025 23:28
OP I totally agree with you. To be honest it just feels like the more people are sympathetic and understanding towards transwomen, the more they reveal how insane they are. Taking massive amounts of hormones to dupe their bodies into producing some kind of liquid from their nipple “to give their wife a break”?? Umm ever heard of bottle feeding?? Or is that not natural enough? 🤨
Make no mistake, this is pure fetish, enacted with ignorant and groomed women’s support. Those poor babies, what the hell are they being born into.
I would definitely be following this up as PPs have advised. Given the established risks to children encouraged by TRAs to surgically remove body parts and take hormones to try to pass as the other sex, surely this has to be urgently reviewed as the massive risk to babies from TW doing this.
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Silversixpenny · 01/05/2025 23:29
snickerdoodle1990 · 01/05/2025 21:40
Hi everyone,
I gave birth a few months ago and had some breastfeeding difficulties, so joined a local breastfeeding support group in my city. It’s basically a place to go for support with feeding, plus meet other mums/have a cuppa and biscuit etc. They also have a FB group. It’s become a nice, friendly place to go once every couple of weeks.
Recently, a trans-woman (male) has joined the group asking for support because their wife has not long had a baby and the trans-woman is wishing to breastfeed too, apparently through use of hormones and domperidone (?) to stimulate supply (I did not realise this was possible at all)
I really really object to this person being present in a group of women who are seeking breastfeeding support, trying to come together in their breastfeeding experience and also revealing themselves intimately
I told the group leader my concerns and she basically told me to shove it - said that the group is a safe space for everyone and they support all who wish to breastfeed and that I shouldn’t come back because I am a bigot
I am horrified as are the other women, where do we all stand and what would you do?
Go back, stand your ground, if you can. That leader is the bigot, not you.
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snickerdoodle1990 · 01/05/2025 23:29
Blueskies25 · 01/05/2025 23:25
I think trans women can actually be called mothers, strange I know, but the legal and social definition is below,
Social or legal definition:
- A mother can also be someone who raises, nurtures, or cares for a child, regardless of biological connection—such as adoptive mothers, stepmothers, foster mothers, or trans mothers.
snickerdoodle1990 · 01/05/2025 23:18
You lost me at the part where you referred to transwomen as mothers. And no, I don’t think we should all just pipe down and focus on ourselves because this is a society-wide issue. We’ve been piping down long enough, it’s time for that to change. Trans people are valid, this person in question - their experience is valid and real to them. But it does not make it right that a group of breastfeeding women feel uncomfortable at a breastfeeding support group because a male is there.
ElleWoods15 · 01/05/2025 23:11
The person trying to breastfeed their child that OP objects to is properly referred to as she.
And yes, it has been shown that with the appropriate intervention trans women can lactate.
The mother you objecting to has every right to be their - unless the relevant service makes this a single sex space and feels it can evidence a proportionate reason for making it such.
OP please focus on your own child at this critical time and stop worrying about how other mothers parent theirs.
My gosh. I can’t keep up with this world any more. This reminds me of the time I ordered a lemon in my online shop and a bottle of lemon washing up liquid came instead. 😵💫😵💫
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Nominative · 01/05/2025 23:30
snickerdoodle1990 · 01/05/2025 21:52
Yes they have a baby and the wife comes too. I just find it so wrong that this is allowed to happen, I feel it totally and utterly undermines your experience as a breastfeeding woman to be honest. I know we could just meet up elsewhere or sort our own group out but I think why should we?! Literally why are we being forced out of a breastfeeding group (which only women can do) by a man??
Darkgreendarkbark · 01/05/2025 21:46
Also, does this person even bring a baby with them? Do they even definitely have a baby? I suppose it's even worse if they actually have a baby and are really doing this, but if they're just turning up with a story, they're clearly using and abusing the group for kicks.
To be fair, if it's a privately run breastfeeding group then no-one can claim an absolute right to be allowed to attend - it's totally up to the organiser.
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Outrageistheopiateofthemasses · 01/05/2025 23:30
The trans identifying man is the baby's biological father.
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TheTwinklyPoster · 01/05/2025 23:31
The clue is in the fact they are a trans woman!
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Silversixpenny · 01/05/2025 23:32
LonginesPrime · 01/05/2025 22:14
Also, depending on what your council’s stance is on gender woo, it might be worth considering contacting social services about the other baby, just so they’re aware.
But that’s a bit of a prickly one, as they might take the transwomen’s side and turn the tables on you for being a bigot, so I’d definitely proceed with caution there.
Honestly, it does feel like the world has gone utterly, utterly mad when there’s more chance that the national press will understand about child safeguarding than the social workers whose job it is to actually protect children.
It doesn't matter, it's the infant who's at the heart of that, and their nutritional needs come first
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LonginesPrime · 01/05/2025 23:32
Blueskies25 · 01/05/2025 23:25
I think trans women can actually be called mothers, strange I know, but the legal and social definition is below,
Social or legal definition:
- A mother can also be someone who raises, nurtures, or cares for a child, regardless of biological connection—such as adoptive mothers, stepmothers, foster mothers, or trans mothers.
snickerdoodle1990 · 01/05/2025 23:18
You lost me at the part where you referred to transwomen as mothers. And no, I don’t think we should all just pipe down and focus on ourselves because this is a society-wide issue. We’ve been piping down long enough, it’s time for that to change. Trans people are valid, this person in question - their experience is valid and real to them. But it does not make it right that a group of breastfeeding women feel uncomfortable at a breastfeeding support group because a male is there.
ElleWoods15 · 01/05/2025 23:11
The person trying to breastfeed their child that OP objects to is properly referred to as she.
And yes, it has been shown that with the appropriate intervention trans women can lactate.
The mother you objecting to has every right to be their - unless the relevant service makes this a single sex space and feels it can evidence a proportionate reason for making it such.
OP please focus on your own child at this critical time and stop worrying about how other mothers parent theirs.
That’s lovely, but s12 of the Gender Recognition Act states:
The fact that a person’s gender has become the acquired gender under this Act does not affect the status of the person as the father or mother of a child.
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Yorkshirelass444 · 01/05/2025 23:35
Cailleach1 · 01/05/2025 22:24
Poor baby
so sad
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Blueskies25 · 01/05/2025 23:35
LonginesPrime · 01/05/2025 23:32
That’s lovely, but s12 of the Gender Recognition Act states:
The fact that a person’s gender has become the acquired gender under this Act does not affect the status of the person as the father or mother of a child.
Blueskies25 · 01/05/2025 23:25
I think trans women can actually be called mothers, strange I know, but the legal and social definition is below,
Social or legal definition:
- A mother can also be someone who raises, nurtures, or cares for a child, regardless of biological connection—such as adoptive mothers, stepmothers, foster mothers, or trans mothers.
snickerdoodle1990 · 01/05/2025 23:18
You lost me at the part where you referred to transwomen as mothers. And no, I don’t think we should all just pipe down and focus on ourselves because this is a society-wide issue. We’ve been piping down long enough, it’s time for that to change. Trans people are valid, this person in question - their experience is valid and real to them. But it does not make it right that a group of breastfeeding women feel uncomfortable at a breastfeeding support group because a male is there.
ElleWoods15 · 01/05/2025 23:11
The person trying to breastfeed their child that OP objects to is properly referred to as she.
And yes, it has been shown that with the appropriate intervention trans women can lactate.
The mother you objecting to has every right to be their - unless the relevant service makes this a single sex space and feels it can evidence a proportionate reason for making it such.
OP please focus on your own child at this critical time and stop worrying about how other mothers parent theirs.
No it doesn’t, the biological mother is still the biological mother but their partner if it was a trans woman can also be a mother .
A trans man could call themselves a mother or a father if they had a child, whatever they choose
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SternJoyousBee · 01/05/2025 23:36
There is no benefit to the baby in the male parent attempting to breast feed. At best this is for validation purposes only, at worst it’s a fetish. Men like this can get in the bin
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DrPrunesqualer · 01/05/2025 23:36
Blueskies25 · 01/05/2025 23:25
I think trans women can actually be called mothers, strange I know, but the legal and social definition is below,
Social or legal definition:
- A mother can also be someone who raises, nurtures, or cares for a child, regardless of biological connection—such as adoptive mothers, stepmothers, foster mothers, or trans mothers.
snickerdoodle1990 · 01/05/2025 23:18
You lost me at the part where you referred to transwomen as mothers. And no, I don’t think we should all just pipe down and focus on ourselves because this is a society-wide issue. We’ve been piping down long enough, it’s time for that to change. Trans people are valid, this person in question - their experience is valid and real to them. But it does not make it right that a group of breastfeeding women feel uncomfortable at a breastfeeding support group because a male is there.
ElleWoods15 · 01/05/2025 23:11
The person trying to breastfeed their child that OP objects to is properly referred to as she.
And yes, it has been shown that with the appropriate intervention trans women can lactate.
The mother you objecting to has every right to be their - unless the relevant service makes this a single sex space and feels it can evidence a proportionate reason for making it such.
OP please focus on your own child at this critical time and stop worrying about how other mothers parent theirs.
What about
dictionary definitions
wiki
everything else
Every definition identifies females as mothers
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JorgyPorgy · 01/05/2025 23:37
Velmy · 01/05/2025 23:27
Tell her she’s not welcome.
She is welcome though, the group has made that perfectly clear. It's OP who isn't welcome.
On what planet does turning up to a support group for anything with the sole purpose of trying to get someone to "cause a scene" (aka causing a scene yourself) help the people who are there for support?
There are better, more mature ways to fight your battles.
JorgyPorgy · 01/05/2025 23:16
What happens if you keep turning up to the group . Is she going to physically remove you? You’ve every right to be there. Tell her she’s not welcome. Go along and let her make a scene. Get everyone’s contact details & start your own group.
I just don’t think it’s fair OP’s been banned from a space she’s ever right to. She should continue to go along and hold her ground. Like Rosa Parkes once did on a bus during civil rights movement . She wasn’t going to give up her seat to a white person. She had a right to it. Like OP has a right to that group.
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Lovelyview · 01/05/2025 23:37
ElleWoods15 · 01/05/2025 23:11
The person trying to breastfeed their child that OP objects to is properly referred to as she.
And yes, it has been shown that with the appropriate intervention trans women can lactate.
The mother you objecting to has every right to be their - unless the relevant service makes this a single sex space and feels it can evidence a proportionate reason for making it such.
OP please focus on your own child at this critical time and stop worrying about how other mothers parent theirs.
He's a man
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LonginesPrime · 01/05/2025 23:41
Silversixpenny · 01/05/2025 23:32
It doesn't matter, it's the infant who's at the heart of that, and their nutritional needs come first
LonginesPrime · 01/05/2025 22:14
Also, depending on what your council’s stance is on gender woo, it might be worth considering contacting social services about the other baby, just so they’re aware.
But that’s a bit of a prickly one, as they might take the transwomen’s side and turn the tables on you for being a bigot, so I’d definitely proceed with caution there.
Honestly, it does feel like the world has gone utterly, utterly mad when there’s more chance that the national press will understand about child safeguarding than the social workers whose job it is to actually protect children.
In a sane world yes, but I still would be wary of disclosing my GC beliefs to a completely captured SS dept if I had a new baby myself.
Yes, they are protected under the EA, etc, but SS could still make trouble for OP in the meantime before they realise they need to leave her alone, and it sounds like OP has enough to deal with without adding additional stresses to the mix.
In any case, obviously OP knows her own local authority and can make her own decision on that.
OP, what you could do instead of reporting directly to SS is to discuss the situation with your HV so that someone with a duty to report is aware, and then any escalation won’t blow back on you.
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DrPrunesqualer · 01/05/2025 23:44
JorgyPorgy · 01/05/2025 23:37
I just don’t think it’s fair OP’s been banned from a space she’s ever right to. She should continue to go along and hold her ground. Like Rosa Parkes once did on a bus during civil rights movement . She wasn’t going to give up her seat to a white person. She had a right to it. Like OP has a right to that group.
Velmy · 01/05/2025 23:27
Tell her she’s not welcome.
She is welcome though, the group has made that perfectly clear. It's OP who isn't welcome.
On what planet does turning up to a support group for anything with the sole purpose of trying to get someone to "cause a scene" (aka causing a scene yourself) help the people who are there for support?
There are better, more mature ways to fight your battles.
JorgyPorgy · 01/05/2025 23:16
What happens if you keep turning up to the group . Is she going to physically remove you? You’ve every right to be there. Tell her she’s not welcome. Go along and let her make a scene. Get everyone’s contact details & start your own group.
Breastfeeding isn’t forever though.
If OP needs the support now, it’s now. She can’t be making a stand for months because the reality is nothing will change.
If OP and others who feel intimidated leave and have their get togethers without men they can do that. They could ask if their local surgery can pop in for breastfeeding help or an occasional if they speak to them.
At ours we sat around drank tea and talked.
Op and others can do that at home and maybe build a nice friendship group of likeminded mothers.
Without men! ( or Transwomen ) staring at everyone’s boobs.
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DrPrunesqualer · 01/05/2025 23:46
snickerdoodle1990 · 01/05/2025 23:29
My gosh. I can’t keep up with this world any more. This reminds me of the time I ordered a lemon in my online shop and a bottle of lemon washing up liquid came instead. 😵💫😵💫
Blueskies25 · 01/05/2025 23:25
I think trans women can actually be called mothers, strange I know, but the legal and social definition is below,
Social or legal definition:
- A mother can also be someone who raises, nurtures, or cares for a child, regardless of biological connection—such as adoptive mothers, stepmothers, foster mothers, or trans mothers.
snickerdoodle1990 · 01/05/2025 23:18
You lost me at the part where you referred to transwomen as mothers. And no, I don’t think we should all just pipe down and focus on ourselves because this is a society-wide issue. We’ve been piping down long enough, it’s time for that to change. Trans people are valid, this person in question - their experience is valid and real to them. But it does not make it right that a group of breastfeeding women feel uncomfortable at a breastfeeding support group because a male is there.
ElleWoods15 · 01/05/2025 23:11
The person trying to breastfeed their child that OP objects to is properly referred to as she.
And yes, it has been shown that with the appropriate intervention trans women can lactate.
The mother you objecting to has every right to be their - unless the relevant service makes this a single sex space and feels it can evidence a proportionate reason for making it such.
OP please focus on your own child at this critical time and stop worrying about how other mothers parent theirs.
Don’t worry OP that’s just a convenient definition from under all the others that say a mother is female
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